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replied 1995d
You are confusing separate issues as one. The threat of punishment is to deter crime. A person does not need to be mentally I'll to commit a crime. Quit demonizing the mentally ill.
replied 1994d
I'm not demonizing the mentally ill. I'm well aware that you can have mental problems without committing crimes.
replied 1994d
You can also commit crimes without a mental illness. You are trying to create a false equivalency that is quite nasty. You are trying to demonize the mentally ill.
replied 1994d
In what way am I trying to demonize the mentally ill? If unprovoked aggression is not a sign of mental issues then the definition needs to change. What is your definition?
replied 1994d
A mental deficiency that makes it difficult for someone to participate in society. Not by choice. Criminal behaviour is often a choice.
replied 1994d
Unprovoked aggression is going to make it difficult to participate in society... Yes, crime is a choice. Why do people make that choice?
replied 1994d
It doesn't really make it hard to participate in society. Mental deficiencies are not a choice. One reason to break the law is not caring about the law.
replied 1994d
Do you think people are going to trade and interact equally with violent criminals as with peaceful people?
replied 1994d
People do it all the time... so yes.
replied 1994d
Really. Suppose you have a hardware store. A known serial domestic abuser walks in and tries to buy an axe. Do you let him?
replied 1994d
Since storms dknt perform background checks, then use. You putting "known" in there changes things a lot.
replied 1994d
So your assumption that criminals won't be shunned in society is based on their crimes remaining unknown? So if they are known, they would be shunned?
replied 1994d
Sure, but shunned is a different issue. There are other reasons one can have difficulty in society. Not all those reasons are a mental illness.
replied 1993d
Would you agree that there is something seriously wrong with a person that commits random acts of violence?
replied 1993d
Sure, for a given value of seriously.
replied 1993d
Is there a major difference between having something seriously wrong with you (mentally or behaviorally) and being insane?
replied 1993d
Yes, they are two separate classifications. You can be a bad person without any mental illness. It is more common to be a bad person and same then a bad person with a mental illness.
replied 1993d
So evil vs insane? How do you tell the difference between a person doing evil deeds because he is evil and a person doing evil deeds because he is insane?
replied 1993d
The presence of a mental illness is what differentiates between those.
replied 1991d
You're just repeating the classification. I'm asking how do you tell the difference? People don't have labels on them displaying their mental classification.
replied 1991d
A doctor usually. Symptoms let you know. Violent crime isn't a symptom.
replied 1991d
Obviously a doctor is the person doing the evaluation. Obviously they use "symptoms". I bet violent crime can be seen as a symptom.
replied 1994d
If you commit real crimes, like theft, assault, rape, murder, you have serious mental/behavioral issues. Whether all criminals qualify according to some DSM manual isn't that relevant.
replied 1994d
That is not true at all. Actually most mentally I'll people are not violent. You really ate wrong to trust to define criminal behaviour as a mental illness.
replied 1994d
I've never said that most mentally ill people are violent. Why are you making things up? Do you really think assaulting people at random is sane?
replied 1994d
I make up nothing. Comparing criminality to mental illness is saying that the mentally ill are violent.

Yes I think murder and assault are mostly done by the same.
replied 1994d
I'm arguing that violent criminals have mental issues. You are turning it around and trying to make it seem like I claim all people with mental issues are criminals. This is not cool.
replied 1994d
Violence is very natural. Hardly a mental deficiency. You keep saying all criminals have .dental deficiencies, which is objectively wrong. Your definition isn't the definition.
replied 1994d
Natural is not the same as good, or healthy, or sane.
How dare you suggest that all people with cavities are criminals!? /s